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85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« on: September 05, 2021, 02:32 PM »
Do it yourself attempt to fix squealing fan belts and suspected bad bearing on water pump.  Engine is a 454 Chevy 7.5 liter big block.  Removing the radiator to get to the front of the engine.  Project is underway and after about 16 hours under the hood, the radiator is out.  The fun part, however, has just begun!

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2021, 10:18 AM »
Let us know how it goes!

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2021, 12:08 AM »
Here's some pictures of the steps I've taken so far to remove everything that I could from the front of the engine in order to gain clear access to the water pump and the pulleys.  Here's the list:  A/C compressor, heater hoses, alternator, fan shroud, fan and clutch, Oil cooler and AC cores attached to front of the radiator, the metal frame that holds the radiator, and finally, the radiator itself- all removed at this point.  Took about 16 hours total as I scratched my head at each step and figured it out.  Wanted to quite about 5 times but I was able, in the end to do it.  Was not easy. 

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2021, 12:10 AM »
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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2021, 12:17 AM »
Success!  Clear access.  Now for the fun part!  Trying to get the water pump removed.  Stay tuned....

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2021, 10:14 PM »
Water pump is out.  I can barely spin the shaft by hand.  Clearly the reason for the squealing belts etc...  Had to wrestle with the bolts that hold down the power steering pump and the bracket to adjust the tension for the PS pump belt.  Eventually figured it out.   

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2021, 10:16 PM »
Water pump

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2021, 10:19 PM »
Lots of oil smeared around from what appears to be a leak near the front of the engine.  I have zero experience here.  Anyone know where all this oil is likely coming from?  Timing chain cover?  Something else.  Tips appreciated....

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2021, 07:35 AM »
Excellent!  Great photo documentation.
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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2021, 10:11 PM »
Why am I not seeing any pictures?

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2021, 12:20 AM »
I have reported this to the moderator.  I think the photos need to be approved before they will display and they have not yet been approved.  RC

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2021, 08:57 AM »
All the photos were approved. They should be visible. 

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2021, 09:20 PM »
OK.  So I'm trying to replace any and all parts that ought to be replaced while I have the radiator out.  For instance, small things, like the thermostat and temperature sensors.  However, I'm confused by what I'm seeing and could use some help identifying which is what.  So- here are some more pictures!  Any help is appreciated.  RC

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2021, 10:54 PM »
I now know, thanks to a little research, that I'm looking at 2 "ported vacuum switches".  The struggle is real....  lol

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2021, 07:32 AM »
Oh well, I guess the pics don't work on this site.  I was curious how big this job is.

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2021, 09:45 AM »
Cadillac:  It's big.  I've put it off for several years but when the water pump completely froze, it became essential. Getting the radiator removed is the hardest part.  I have both front tires off the rig and I had to remove the metal wheel well shroud covering access to the engine on the drivers side to get to the bolts holding down the radiator frame.  Takes a huge amount of time and effort.  But- it can be done!  Of course I'm only half way through.  Time will tell if I can get everything back together again, properly.  Also, you will spend a lot of time on the internet reading posts to guide you.  PS:  I can see the pictures when I access the site.  Can't explain why you cannot.  If someone else viewing these posts can/cannot see the pics, could you please say say so?  Thanks,  RC

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2021, 08:25 PM »
Ahhh that's the tip I wasn't getting.  I know you can't reach much through the hood or through the doghouse.  The trick is to go in from the wheel well.  I am scared I might have to do this on the road sometime.  I just hope I get some kind of warning and can get it closer to home or close to a parts store.

I am using firefox and was thinking about trying Chrome to see if the pics will load.  It will have to be another day because I am leaving in the morning.   :D

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2021, 08:29 PM »
I was just leaving the site and I got a message in red just as I was clicking so I didn't get to read it.  Then the pics showed up, wahoo.

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2021, 08:40 PM »
That is a pretty tough job.  Hopefully in an emergency I could get that water pump out without removing the radiator.  I could be wrong and it is nice to have full access to the front. 

I have a question.  Your engine compartment looks a lot like my 86 Itasca.  Do you have any idea what that electrical isolater thing is that is mounted above the alternator?  It looks just like the battery isolator in the battery compartment.  I can't find any voltage on it anywhere and can't figure out what it does.

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2021, 01:15 PM »
Cadillac:  Here's a pic of what I have on my rig.  Is this what you mean?  I can't tell you exactly what it is or what it does.  Maybe someone else reading this can chime in.  I will do a little research.  Thanks.  RC

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Re: 85 Elandan water pump replacement and radiator removal
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2021, 09:58 PM »
Cadillac:  Here's your answer.  It's called a "secondary starter solenoid".  Best way to understand it's presence on your RV is to go here:  https://www.irv2.com/forums/f65/electrical-schematic-on-80s-rambler-207171-2.html  Apparently, it's only used on motor homes and is there to enable the use of the house batteries to allow them to be used to assist the chassis battery to start the engine when the chassis battery has been drained.  RC