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joanfenn

2020 Nov 26 13:40:46
Wow hello Fredric, nice to see you again. Happy thanksgiving to you
 

Stripe

2020 Nov 26 12:51:53
Happy Thanksgiving!
 

ClydesdaleKevin

2020 Nov 26 12:26:33
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!!!
 

Oz

2020 Nov 25 01:26:28
Thank you Joan!
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 25 00:42:41
Have a good and safe one Mark.  We already had ours last month but will be with you in spirit.  And drooling also. 
 

Oz

2020 Nov 24 16:29:55
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
 

Elandan2

2020 Nov 22 13:31:55
Ah, that's better. Thanks for all the great improvements Mark. :)ThmbUp
 

Oz

2020 Nov 22 05:15:11
You're welcome!
 

TerryH

2020 Nov 22 03:48:06
Yes - seems to be up and running. Missed it while gone. Thanks Mark!
 

Oz

2020 Nov 17 03:32:58
I know, right?  The changes to the site are coming along, but not without its glitches, of course.  Always a learning curve...
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 16 18:01:10
This one is good also.  Just nice to chat again
 

Oz

2020 Nov 15 13:09:30
 :D
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 15 02:49:50
I am used to this one, but not to old enough to learn
 

Oz

2020 Nov 15 02:36:28
Do you like this way better, or the balloon box version?
 

Oz

2020 Nov 14 23:02:46
Thank you!   :)clap
 

Oz

2020 Nov 14 23:01:19
Not as compact with the text, but maybe a bit more "fun" and "chatty"?
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 14 23:01:18
carry on sir, you are doing a great job :)ThmbUp
 

Oz

2020 Nov 14 23:00:29
LOl!  :D
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 14 22:58:41
yes it is growing on me now :)
 

Oz

2020 Nov 14 22:58:06
I kinda like it.
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 14 22:57:57
And I wasn't going to say anything but your are special, not odd
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 14 22:56:46
It will work just have to get used to the layout
 

Oz

2020 Nov 14 22:55:53
Well, I'm odd.  So... yeah, kinda fits just right.
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 14 22:55:47
Funny layout I mean.  But nice to be able to chat again
 

Oz

2020 Nov 14 22:55:24
Just transitioned to the new portal system.  I have a lot to recreate yet, but it won't take long. How do you like the new chat room?
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 14 22:54:24
This is odd
 

Oz

2020 Nov 14 22:53:50
Hi Joan!
 

joanfenn

2020 Nov 14 22:52:54
Hello!!

Author Topic: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0  (Read 226 times)

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Offline penskepartyof4

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I am not only working on modernizing, fixing, remodeling the RV but it WILL have a running genset. :un-named rv: lol has a 4.0 Emerald I Plus right now. Untested. PO was genuine that it worked and I can get it to run as long as mechanics arent broken.

I impulse bought a 6500w set. It had two miss matched plugs and broken fuse holders for ignition. Rest looked good. The PO of the RV scrapped it and the yard posted it. Figured I had surgery around 1pm and it was only 6am; so why not have something else to take on?

Anyone have this set or knows the correct spark plugs for it? Also correct gap? My last task when these two are running,is to swap them out. Or I will sell one or both of them to buy something new.

I'm ordering fuse holders tomorrow. Would you object if I used maxi car fuses clipped into the spades for the ignition fuses just for testing purposes?
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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2020, 08:00 PM »
Well it seems this 6.5 does not have spark. It will crank but wont fire up. It will be worked on soon.
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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2020, 10:29 AM »
You can get the specs on most of the old RV generators in the member area.
Five bucks to upgrade for a year.
And way over a hundred other manuals which will save you hours and hours of hit and miss troubleshooting otger things like, stove, fridge, air, furnace, water heaters, and more.
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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2020, 03:57 PM »
A few things you might do before installation.

1.The collar next to the starting/control housing unsnap it there is a snap on the bottom, the endplate next..unscrew it. Take notice of the brushes and white wires....inspect each wire for heat damage and dry rot....Once done there very gently pull each wire/brush out to assure the brushes float...Last but not least get yourself say maybe 5 cans of CRC cleaner and thoroughly wash rinse the entire armature system...you will also notice there are aluminum clips keep in mind they are quite fragile...lol make no mistakes

Next to the carb on the right bottom, there are small green points cover...pull it off the points are underneath and inspect...maybe a filing would be in order. Original Onan point is hidden to find...But your John Deer has them under a John Deer part number.

As to the coil, there are two condensers one is obvious the other not so much, it is located on the inside of the engine complex...make sure they are good. I had to replace them both before I could get a spark.

A note to the carb, there is a high-speed mixture screw one can adjust for smooth high idle. If it starts and wanders...or if it starts and stops...Take a screwdriver and turn it in all the way, count the turns in this is very important. What you would be doing is crushing any foreign body in the idle circuit, primitive yes effective yes.

Have fun that Genset is primitive and very robust...I have one running now that sat for 15 yrs...now that it is up and running the word priceless comes to mind.
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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2020, 07:13 PM »
Thanks for the reply Eh. good info! I will have to look at it when I get to storage to identify and hire backup parts to take along on trips.

I have a good running 4k onan. I will have to check that to see if I can swap anything over to kick the 6.5k over.

Points and condenser... You are saying there are two on the onan?

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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2020, 08:59 PM »
Yes one is a line buzz filter...that is what i call it. Getting it up and going was a bit confusing but once you do it they are a very simple machine..here below was my adventure.

https://www.smokstak.com/forum/threads/onan-6-5nh-attempting-to-bring-it-back.187088/page-3

http://www.skilledcrafting.com/onanfiles/900-0337%20Onan%20BF%20BFA%20BGA%20NH%20RV%20Gen%20Service%20manual%20(01-1983).pdf
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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2020, 09:34 PM »
I like making engines start running faster than you think it will. I love seeing peoples faces when they are shocked its running so fast. like barely turning the key and maybe a second of turning on starter. sheesh its fun.
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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2020, 10:12 AM »
One point two condenser's, that is the factory setup. Now with that being said I am sure one of those is a electrical noise suppress device
 Both are connected to the coil.

Odd I have always used the term...a set of points...when their is always just one..
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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2020, 03:05 PM »
Awesome! i will dig into it today if it stops raining.  i?? when
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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2020, 09:10 AM »
Penske this quite a coincidence - I got my 4KW Emerald I running and it puffed blue smoke. I came across a 6.5KW Emerald Plus that had been in storage and looked practically new with a good price. It barely fits in the hole for the 4KW but it does fit.

I have a question - how are you handling having two breakers each with 120V instead of the one? Are you switching to 240v or just using half the capability of the genset?
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Re: 6.5nh-3cr/16020p the replacement for BGE Emerald I Plus 4.0
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2020, 04:26 PM »
I have a question - how are you handling having two breakers each with 120V instead of the one? Are you switching to 240v or just using half the capability of the genset?

I believe it is wired for only 120v right now. I am not using the 240v yet. I am considering options when it comes to having something I can weld with on the road or for people that need quick welds. I am about as far as you are with it right now. I believe the amperage might not be enough for most welding though. If you get there before I do hit me up.
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