http://ocala.craigslist.org/rvs/5130828462.html
I am very interested in this Winnebago. I talked to the new owner that is selling it and we have arranged a meeting this weekend. During our discussion he mentioned he bought this Winnebago from a member here, but can not remember the members forum name. So I am on the hunt. I am curious if the owner from PA still has pictures of the days he/she owned it.
I put my detective skills to work and that was Marks chariot. Our fearless leader. I thought I recognized the picture. Quick what do I win?
Yes, it was the flagship of CWVRV. I did a lot to it and enjoyed it immensely. Our extended family had many, many great memories with "The Chariot".
The new owner told me he was very adept at mechanical and all other aspects of RV maintenance, repair, and improvement.
Here's the link to my photo albums:
http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?action=mgallery;sa=album;id=50 (http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?action=mgallery;sa=album;id=50)
If I hadn't had to sell it, I never would have. When I was living in Florida, I had hoped the new owner would put it up for sale so I could buy it back, but of course, that didn't happen. But all I care is that it continues its legacy of making memories for its owners, whoever they may be.
The only thing I see done to it from the ad is new brakes and he installed a generator. All the rest, as you'll see from comparison from my albums, I did, including the air bag suspension and Bilstein shocks on all four corners.
At $3,500, given the motor and all is still runnning good and the roof is still in good repair, it's a good price. $3,000 and it would be a great price.
That is absolutely perfect to find one with a documented history complete with pictures and contact with the original owner. PRICELESS!
Quote from: joanfenn on August 02, 2015, 10:49 PM
I put my detective skills to work and that was Marks chariot. Our fearless leader. I thought I recognized the picture. Quick what do I win?
A high five....lol
Quote from: Oz on August 02, 2015, 11:08 PM
Yes, it was the flagship of CWVRV. I did a lot to it and enjoyed it immensely. Our extended family had many, many great memories with "The Chariot".
The new owner told me he was very adept at mechanical and all other aspects of RV maintenance, repair, and improvement.
Here's the link to my photo albums:
http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?action=mgallery;sa=album;id=50 (http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php?action=mgallery;sa=album;id=50)
If I hadn't had to sell it, I never would have. When I was living in Florida, I had hoped the new owner would put it up for sale so I could buy it back, but of course, that didn't happen. But all I care is that it continues its legacy of making memories for its owners, whoever they may be.
The only thing I see done to it from the ad is new brakes and he installed a generator. All the rest, as you'll see from comparison from my albums, I did, including the air bag suspension and Bilstein shocks on all four corners.
At $3,500, given the motor and all is still runnning good and the roof is still in good repair, it's a good price. $3,000 and it would be a great price.
Correct me if I am wrong. The gentleman that owns it now bought it from you? I was under the impression that the person he bought it from forum name started with a P.
The owner informed me what has been done to it. The only thing that hasn't been fixed is the refrigerator. He has expressed that it will need a new coat on the roof or one can install the custom trusses he had made for the roof to give it a small curve. The generator is a newer model and I can't remember if he had the original. He says it roarrrrs like a loin in the city and purrrrs like a kitten on the highway. Fuses have been updated and I believe he has all the parts to update the plumbing.
I am super excited to see this beauty in person.
Time to go check out your link....thank you
:)ThmbUp Yep! That's the one that used to belong to our e lustrous leader............The OZ, aka the Pharaoh. A lot and I mean a LOT of work went into that old girl. She should be in pretty good shape. What do you think Mark want her back. >GRIN< Kidding. :laugh:
"Correct me if I am wrong. The gentleman that owns it now bought it from you? I was under the impression that the person he bought it from forum name started with a P. "
That would be "The Pharaoh".. which is also Mark's nickname here. I can assure you that the rig in question IS Mark's Winnebago.
Yes, I recall him saying he was going to give it a curved roof. There was some water damage right above the entry door, but I sealed it well and it didn't get worse, and it wasn't a problem.
The Chariot did not have a generator when I bought it, so what he installed, he acquired on his own.
And yes, she does roar and purr.
I installed the Norcold fridge and it's common for the electric option not to work with them. But, it's large and gets nice and cold on LP gas, so I guess we both figured that was just fine.
It already has a replacement water tank with on-demand pump, so there shouldn't be much to update in the plumbing. The water heater worked excellent. I did have the furnace running the first year I had it, but I never ran it after that. I even added a vent to the hall since the one going into the goucho bedroom heated the heck out of the floor right in front of the bed, but not very effective otherwise. Well, you'll see most of the things I did in my albums
I put a lot of explanatory and descriptive comments with my photos in my albums. They will tell you a lot about what you're going to see.
Now tell us you bought it. :)clap :)ThmbUp
I have been through your album a few times. The palm trees burned my eyes. lol. I see palm trees everyday...lol
We have scheduled a meeting this weekend.
Quote from: Rickf1985 on August 04, 2015, 09:50 AM
Now tell us you bought it. :)clap :)ThmbUp
I am meeting with him this weekend. Early Saturday morning. :)ThmbUp :)ThmbUp :)ThmbUp
Quote from: NottooldNottoyoung on August 04, 2015, 12:51 PM
I have been through your album a few times. The palm trees burned my eyes. lol. I see palm trees everyday...lol
My wife decorated with the palm trees. I thought it was fine, but too much of it. Still, it was okay, most of it was accessories which are easily removed.
We lived in St. Pete for 3 years until this last fall and we loved seeing them every day. That's the nice thing about RVs, they're like a home... who cares what other people like, you decorate it for what YOU like, or in this case, what WE liked. If you get it, you can decorate it however you like and it if burns my eyes, it doesn't matter because it'll be your baby then.
2 hr drive and I get to see the Winnebago with my own eyes.
Here are all the pictures I took.
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That has to hurt a little Mark :(
Holy Cow Mark! That's got to be a heart breaker. Sorry Mate. WOW! :-[ :( :'(
Well, the roof was obviously left to go to the weather. None of that water damage was like that when I had it. Looks like the muffler totally blew out too.
With the roof requiring a total replacement, no way is $3,500 a good price. $2,500 perhaps. He bought it from me for $2.000 and it was in better shape than now. The roof was still solid and didn't leak. The generator is a plus to adding value for offsetting the roof. And since the roof edges have obviously been left to split open, it's likely there is water damage to the side walls as well and most likely the wood below the belt line.
Oh, and the converter in the back was an upgrade. I put it in but didn't know how to wire it so it didn't get done.
I painted the exterior white with Rustoleum and that looks like it still looks good 8 (9?) years later.
When the buyer left with it, he left me with a good feeling that the repairs and upgrades were going to continue and it would be better than ever. So, yes, it does hurt to see it like this, but it's not anywhere near beyond repair and although the interior is a bit disheveled, it would look good once cleaned up.
Well! Looking at it and guessing what it will cost to clean it up and get everything working again and knowing what parts are worth, I wouldn't offer the guy any more than $1,000.00 for it. Your going to half to put a new roof on and that's not cheap. That's if you do the work your self. Dilber re did the roof on his rig and did an excellent job documenting it here. I wouldn't use the roof truss that that chap made up but a full 2X4 cut to shape like Dilber and others have used. She could be a nice rig again but you'd have your work cut out for you. Don't forget to let us know how you make out. D:oH! Hm?
Quote from: LJ-TJ on August 09, 2015, 07:53 AM
I wouldn't use the roof truss that that chap made up but a full 2X4 cut to shape like Dilber and others have used. She could be a nice rig again but you'd have your work cut out for you. Don't forget to let us know how you make out. D:oH! Hm?
Why use 2X4 lumber at all! . . . With today's new building materials, I would purchase and cut them from a LVL., Laminated Veneer Lumber. Which in my opinion, would not only be more ridged. (more Load Bearing) But also more durable. And with the glues that are used to make them, less susceptible to dry rot. Just a Thought. :)ThmbUp
Why a 2X4? That's old school and sometimes it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. You young bucks no all the tricks with s#*t. :)clap :)rotflmao
I'd say the choice could come down to cost between the wood and the fake wood. Load bearing difference doesn't matter in this application and dry rot isn't an issue if the roof exterior layer is good and doesn't leak However, if the $$ is there, then the fake wood wood be the better choice because of the reasons mentioned, or wood it? ???
I thought the trusses he made were a bit too high. The curve only needs to be a little bit, like 2x4s trimmed, as previously mentioned, and they need to be graduated in height or it's going to be tough to make a smooth transition from the front glacia and the rear edge level heights.
Ideally, using the graduated height would allow for water to gravitate off the roof in all directions.
Here was my roof rebuild:
http://www.classicwinnebagos.com/forum/index.php/topic,10111.msg57260.html#msg57260
I used 2x4 for the roof beams 16" on center. I left the center 16" flat and then angled it to each end, ending up with 1 1/4 or 1 1/2 at the ends (can't remember!) I hit the sharp angles with a grinder. The front 3 beams were gradually cut down in overall height. I was going to just cover the roof with 1//4" exterior, but it felt rather spongy. Since I had to have the plywood delivered and was already using it as ceiling material, I first thru down a layer of 5mm underlayment luan. Then the plywood. Felt much sturdier when walking on and didn't add significant weight. I then covered everything with 8oz. cloth and epoxy resin.
Thank you so much for all the info provided.
A curved roof is something I would install.
I did feel a soft spot on the floor under the table.
Man! I hate seeing something that someone put so much work into just let go like that. He could have at least tarped it to keep the water out. That mold did not form while they were camping, that has been just sitting neglected.
I here yeah Mate. I remember back in the day when Mark was trying to get her up and going in order to get to a Classic Winnebago rally and the group all pitch in to get her going. We had the best mechanics on the job and she had been gone over with a fine tooth comb. Ran like a dream. Mark had the interior just spic and span. We got her to the rally and she looked MAGNIFICENT. I just can't believe someone would just ignore it to a point it would look like that. WOW. D:oH!
The picture of the blown out muff is awesome!!
I feel for Mark, I was cringing looking at the pics myself. The roof is terrible, just looks totally neglected all over, so sad people let them go to sh1t...Happens to so many of them. When you do find a cream puff Winne, your going to spend 6-8K, which for a cream puff vintage RV is still a steal in my opinion.
There's also a thousand+ dollars worth of tires to buy.....What do you do Hm?
Holy buckets!!! That thing is toast!! Some folks just truly don't care, what shame.
Toast is only toast once toasted...lol
I had high hopes. But she is not totally lost....
Did you buy it?
Quote from: NottooldNottoyoung on August 10, 2015, 09:28 PM
Toast is only toast once toasted...lol
I had high hopes. But she is not totally lost....
Oh yeah, anything can be rebuilt, I just wouldn't have the time, patience or money to renovate something in such terrible shape.
I want to reference the pictures do not judge too much - but I think my Winni base looked worse D:oH! :laugh: .
The question is then more, who turns again to judge new or, there are enough people who dare to something in order to sell it to the task to him ... in the US is a market for something there? In Germany only go "crazy" or "enthusiast" to those RV ... and these people are sown very scarce W% ;) .
Thomas
Quote from: brians1969 on August 10, 2015, 10:55 PM
Did you buy it?
No. I am still doing some research.
Roof rebuild
Walls
Floor
New bathroom layout
Chassis
Electrical
Last - Upgrading the motor (She runs already)
etc. etc. etc.
The bonus to the sell is he said he would drive it to me.
Just out of curiosity, how much would you actually be willing to pay for such a rig?
Yeah, I'm afraid I'd have to ask the same question. What's your maxmum dollar you'd be willing to spend. Like I'd spend $500.00 hands down. Or Aw I'd speeeend maybe $1,500.00 if it was nice. Or if it was really nice I might be able to squeez out maybe $3,500.00. I hate to see any Eyebrow Winne hit the scrap yard but man you would be in to so much money to revive that old girl. There's some real nice rigs out there for that kind of money. What exactly are you looking for.? Hm?
In my opinion Knowing the history of this veh I would pay $2000.00 for it . Other than a muffler it probably does not need any mechanical work ! It was completely gone over a few yrs back and I doubt it has 1000 mi on it since a complete roof would cost less than $ 500.00 for all the materials needed for a 50 yr roof Incl the inside repairs .At that point it would be ready for a cross country camping trip ! Modifications are not part of getting a rig ready to go They can be done anytime Frank
I guess if you were looking for a project, this would be it, but I couldn't see paying more than a few hundred for it. You may say there's lots of good parts on it and there may be, but the way it was cared for I'd count everything there as shot with the possible exception of the engine. And then, how well did he care for that if absolutely everything else left to disrepair and the elements. The wiring is a real danger, just from looking at the pics.
But a project none the less for someone. What a shame Oz did so much and had it so nice.
When I was out searching for a unit for myself I came across so many that were is such terrible shape and I was not willing to accept something like that for the money they were asking. I wanted a unit that was pretty much ready to go and none of the ones I looked at were good enough. I finally found the one I bought and it was ready to go and is in really nice shape, just needed a little cleaning and I went through the carb on the gen and I was pretty well set. The rest was educating myself on how to operate all the systems and how they all work and interact.
And after looking at all the other units, when it came to shelling out 4700 bucks for this one I felt really good about that. That's why I cringe when I see 3500 for a rig like 74 Indian here.
Quote from: Bnova on August 11, 2015, 01:29 PM
Just out of curiosity, how much would you actually be willing to pay for such a rig?
I need another look over to come up with that price.
Quote from: LJ-TJ on August 11, 2015, 04:19 PM
Yeah, I'm afraid I'd have to ask the same question. What's your maxmum dollar you'd be willing to spend. Like I'd spend $500.00 hands down. Or Aw I'd speeeend maybe $1,500.00 if it was nice. Or if it was really nice I might be able to squeez out maybe $3,500.00. I hate to see any Eyebrow Winne hit the scrap yard but man you would be in to so much money to revive that old girl. There's some real nice rigs out there for that kind of money. What exactly are you looking for.? Hm?
I am looking for a 70's Winnebago! I find such beauty in the 70's Winnebago's. I do not mind hard work to get it live able. I will not pull the trigger unless I know what I am getting into. I am doing my research. If he sells it or scraps it before we talk again....It is what it is!
Quote from: Froggy1936 on August 11, 2015, 08:13 PM
In my opinion Knowing the history of this veh I would pay $2000.00 for it . Other than a muffler it probably does not need any mechanical work ! It was completely gone over a few yrs back and I doubt it has 1000 mi on it since a complete roof would cost less than $ 500.00 for all the materials needed for a 50 yr roof Incl the inside repairs .At that point it would be ready for a cross country camping trip ! Modifications are not part of getting a rig ready to go They can be done anytime Frank
I think $500 is a little low. I think $1000-$1500 for a new roof, floor and open the walls and check them out.
I do agree it can be road ready with a little work. And Mods can be done anytime.
Quote from: NottooldNottoyoung on August 11, 2015, 10:19 PM
I think $500 is a little low. I think $1000-$1500 for a new roof, floor and open the walls and check them out.
I do agree it can be road ready with a little work. And Mods can be done anytime. [size=78%] [/size]
And of course, you're the one that went to look at it, not me or anyone else. We all know that they all can look really good in a pic, and then when you get there you see something totally different. In this case looking at the pics, it appears to me to be really toasty, but if I was actually there looking at it physically I might see something totally different.
I looked for two years before I found what I was looking for. Sounds like you may have found your beast.
Quote from: Froggy1936 on August 11, 2015, 08:13 PM
In my opinion Knowing the history of this veh I would pay $2000.00 for it . Other than a muffler it probably does not need any mechanical work ! It was completely gone over a few yrs back and I doubt it has 1000 mi on it since a complete roof would cost less than $ 500.00 for all the materials needed for a 50 yr roof Incl the inside repairs .At that point it would be ready for a cross country camping trip ! Modifications are not part of getting a rig ready to go They can be done anytime Frank
500.00 for a complete roof? Rubber alone will be that much, am I missing something. And what roof will last 50 years? I must have fallen kind of behind the technology here.
Quote from: Rickf1985 on August 12, 2015, 08:38 PM
500.00 for a complete roof? Rubber alone will be that much, am I missing something. And what roof will last 50 years? I must have fallen kind of behind the technology here.
I agree, just read a post from a member here who just redid the roof, 1900 and some dollars.
Original roof was a plywood/foam sandwich with a thin aluminum cover sheet that is normally covered over (painted) with a elastomeric roof covering.
Many RV's have just a fiberglass roof (e,g. TRAVCO and bus style RV's)
Many modern day RV's (especially trailers) use the rubber roof.
Many ways to skin the cat.
So this is still posted. After seeing the all the pictures of the interior and current shape of this rig, I came back and reread again what the seller wrote on the add...ABSOLUTE MISLEADING. Doesn't say anything about roof damage or mold??? I would be pissed if I drove any distance to see this rig with being mislead. They make it sound like the rig is ready to go?
http://ocala.craigslist.org/rvs/5130828462.html (http://ocala.craigslist.org/rvs/5130828462.html)
Sorry OZ ???
I can tell you the current owner had all the good intention of continuing the restoration and improvement of the Pharaoh's Chariot. And consider, he paid for a flight from FL to MD, then paid for a limo service to come to PA, cash in hand, intent on buying this RV, sight unseen, then paid for the gas to drive it all the way back to FL. About 100 miles from his home, the water pump gasket blew. He did an emergency fix using a plastic soda bottle and got it home. He'd enthusiastically rattled off a whole list of things he was going to do with it as he surveyed it, but who really knows what became of his situation after he got it home? Maybe his financial situation changed for the worse? That's why we had to sell it, otherwise, we'd still have it today. Maybe other things.. the house, cars, maybe medical expenses took precedence. I just don't believe (and don't want to believe) he just lost interest and let it go like that after all he went through to get it.
And, I sincerely appreciate all the empathetic condolences from you all. We've made so many friends and have so many memories because of this RV. Quite a few members had a part in the rejuvenation of it too. My heart breaks over it but, it happens and all we can do is be thankful for everything the Chariot added to our lives.